Diskuse k šabloně:Data státu/Horní Uhry (Matúš Čák Trenčanský)

Inaccurate flag

Wikipedia based on academic sources https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Attribution + https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research, and not modern Photoshopped fan art flags, Wikipedia is not "Game of Thrones".
Description: "The flag of territory of aproximate present-day Slovakia from the 14th century. There is a golden doublecross at the golden triple-hill in the red field. The flag was created in the 1301, during the rule of the Louis V., whose protage was the ruler of upper part of the kingdom, Matúš Čák Trenčianský and this flag was de facto symbol of Matúš's territory."
Who is "Louis V."??? A fantasy king? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Hungarian_monarchs
Stephen V of Hungary (1270-72) already used the same coat of arms:
https://static-cdn.arcanum.com/nfo-resources/magyarnemzettortenete_pic/magyarnemzettortenete/szb-02-315.jpg
https://historia-cronologia.lapunk.hu/kepek/v__istvan_fuggopecsetjenek_hatlapja.jpg
Ladislaus IV of Hungary (1272-90) also:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Coa_Hungary_Country_History_Ladislaus_IV_(1262-1290).svg
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ladislav4_1.jpg
I assume this flag based on a this picture from the Chronicon Pictum: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rozgony_Battle.jpg
This is the picture when Máté Csák use this flag, he was a Hungarian magnate, it is not surprising that he used the Hungarian flag himself. Even is the same picture we can see exactly the same symbol (double cross+trimount) on the body of the Hungarian king. King Charles I fought a lot for the Hungarian throne, he emphasized his connection to the royal Hungarian Arpad family by materline line, that is why his coat of arms included the Arpad striped. His son Louis used again the same double cross coat of arms as previous Arpad kings:
King Louis I of Hungary (1342-1382): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:I._Nagy_Lajos_király_(1342-1382)_második_kettős_felségpecsétjének_hátlapja_(1366-1382).jpg
Bela IV of Hungary (1235–1270): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IV._Béla_aranypecsétje.jpg
Morover we can see exactly the same flag in the same book on the other Hungarian images: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronicon_Pictum
Examples:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Istvan-ChroniconPictum.jpg
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Stephen_I_intercepts_Gyula_(Chronicon_Pictum_040).jpg
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Stephen_I_defeats_Kean_(Chronicon_Pictum_041).jpg
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Andrew_II_of_Hungary.jpg
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Chronicon_Pictum_P129_IV._László_és_gyilkosai.JPG
So how can be this is a separate flag? --OrionNimrod (diskuse) 8. 11. 2024, 22:38 (CET)